Comments on: The More Things Change, the More They Stay the Same http://steveradick.com/2009/04/27/the-more-things-change-the-more-they-stay-the-same/ Exploring the strategery of using social media within the government Sun, 21 Mar 2010 03:03:59 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Mark Drapeau http://steveradick.com/2009/04/27/the-more-things-change-the-more-they-stay-the-same/comment-page-1/#comment-1127 Mark Drapeau Fri, 28 Aug 2009 21:47:00 +0000 http://steveradick.com/?p=478#comment-1127 You're totally right! I have shiny object syndrome in the short view!!!!! I'm relieved. Time to quit pretending I know anything about this stuff and go back to brain surgery. You’re totally right! I have shiny object syndrome in the short view!!!!! I’m relieved. Time to quit pretending I know anything about this stuff and go back to brain surgery.

]]> By: Stephen Buckley http://steveradick.com/2009/04/27/the-more-things-change-the-more-they-stay-the-same/comment-page-1/#comment-1126 Stephen Buckley Fri, 28 Aug 2009 21:34:50 +0000 http://steveradick.com/?p=478#comment-1126 Thanks for chiming in, Steve, to clarify to Mark that, yes, the new tools do ADD to the previous tools for social networking on the Internet (like the simple, but powerful, listserv). I simply took issue with Mark's statement that Web2.0 tools are different because they are "powerful" (thereby implying that previous tools were not). As you said, "the details will change with each wave of new technology", so I hope we all agree that, with each new tool, the Internet gets *incrementally* more powerful for social networking. Are cars better than 50 years ago? Yes, but despite the yearly hype that a company has "totally reinvented" the car, the improvements were yearly increments that, if you were a car-nut, must have seemed "major" at the time. So, while the Internet certainly changed the paradigm of mass communication, the introduction of certain types of new tools has NOT changed that paradigm. They only make the same goal easier. And that paradignm, that mindset, that goal has not changed since the pre-Web1.0 days. So, from the LONG perspective, there is no quantum-leap with Web2.0. (And Tim Berners=Lee seems to agree.) But I can still understand how people with a shorter view are apt to view the newest tools as being just "so cool" that, of course, they "will change everything!" I'm just trying to get reasonable people to step back in order to recognize the hyperbole (aka, "hype"). Thanks for chiming in, Steve, to clarify to Mark that, yes, the new tools do ADD to the previous tools for social networking on the Internet (like the simple, but powerful, listserv).

I simply took issue with Mark’s statement that Web2.0 tools are different because they are “powerful” (thereby implying that previous tools were not).

As you said, “the details will change with each wave of new technology”, so I hope we all agree that, with each new tool, the Internet gets *incrementally* more powerful for social networking.

Are cars better than 50 years ago? Yes, but despite the yearly hype that a company has “totally reinvented” the car, the improvements were yearly increments that, if you were a car-nut, must have seemed “major” at the time.

So, while the Internet certainly changed the paradigm of mass communication, the introduction of certain types of new tools has NOT changed that paradigm. They only make the same goal easier.

And that paradignm, that mindset, that goal has not changed since the pre-Web1.0 days. So, from the LONG perspective, there is no quantum-leap with Web2.0. (And Tim Berners=Lee seems to agree.)

But I can still understand how people with a shorter view are apt to view the newest tools as being just “so cool” that, of course, they “will change everything!”

I’m just trying to get reasonable people to step back in order to recognize the hyperbole (aka, “hype”).

]]> By: sradick http://steveradick.com/2009/04/27/the-more-things-change-the-more-they-stay-the-same/comment-page-1/#comment-1011 sradick Wed, 12 Aug 2009 12:01:53 +0000 http://steveradick.com/?p=478#comment-1011 Social media today is changing the paradigm of communication, just like the the telephone did, the Internet did, and email did - that's the same. What's different is the WAY in which the paradigm is changing. Social media is allowing us to self-organize and collaborate in ways that weren't possible before. The Internet opened up a whole new world of information in real-time. Email changed the communication cycle from days to immediate. All of these are paradigm changers, but in different ways. Sure, the details will change with each wave of new technology, but the principles of technology adoption and change management have remained the same. Social media today is changing the paradigm of communication, just like the the telephone did, the Internet did, and email did – that’s the same. What’s different is the WAY in which the paradigm is changing. Social media is allowing us to self-organize and collaborate in ways that weren’t possible before. The Internet opened up a whole new world of information in real-time. Email changed the communication cycle from days to immediate. All of these are paradigm changers, but in different ways. Sure, the details will change with each wave of new technology, but the principles of technology adoption and change management have remained the same.

]]> By: osrin (Oliver Bell) http://steveradick.com/2009/04/27/the-more-things-change-the-more-they-stay-the-same/comment-page-1/#comment-1009 osrin (Oliver Bell) Wed, 12 Aug 2009 04:17:33 +0000 http://steveradick.com/?p=478#comment-1009 <strong>Twitter Comment</strong> <a href="http://twitter.com/osrin" title="Twitter Comment" rel="nofollow"> <div class="ccimg1" title="osrin (Oliver Bell)" style="float:left;margin-right:10px;padding:0;width:60px;height:60px;"> <img name="cc_image" title="osrin (Oliver Bell)" style="float:left;margin-right:10px;padding:0;width:50px;height:50px;" src="http://purl.org/net/spiurl/osrin"> </div> </a> RT @tweetmeme The More Things Change, the More They Stay the Same | Social Media Strategery [link to post]<br /><br /> - <a href="http://chatcatcher.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Posted using Chat Catcher</a> Twitter Comment


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]]> By: transpartisan (Stephen Buckley) http://steveradick.com/2009/04/27/the-more-things-change-the-more-they-stay-the-same/comment-page-1/#comment-1007 transpartisan (Stephen Buckley) Wed, 12 Aug 2009 03:08:36 +0000 http://steveradick.com/?p=478#comment-1007 <strong>Twitter Comment</strong> <a href="http://twitter.com/transpartisan" title="Twitter Comment" rel="nofollow"> <div class="ccimg1" title="transpartisan (Stephen Buckley)" style="float:left;margin-right:10px;padding:0;width:60px;height:60px;"> <img name="cc_image" title="transpartisan (Stephen Buckley)" style="float:left;margin-right:10px;padding:0;width:50px;height:50px;" src="http://purl.org/net/spiurl/transpartisan"> </div> </a> Most #Gov20 evangelists are blissfully ignorant of "Lessons-To-Be-Learned" from Gov10 (and earlier) adopters. [link to post] #opengov<br /><br /> - <a href="http://chatcatcher.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Posted using Chat Catcher</a> Twitter Comment


Most #Gov20 evangelists are blissfully ignorant of “Lessons-To-Be-Learned” from Gov10 (and earlier) adopters. [link to post] #opengov

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]]> By: Mark Drapeau http://steveradick.com/2009/04/27/the-more-things-change-the-more-they-stay-the-same/comment-page-1/#comment-1006 Mark Drapeau Wed, 12 Aug 2009 03:02:47 +0000 http://steveradick.com/?p=478#comment-1006 Really, Stephen? You think that technologies from the 1990s were such that people could self-organize and be as influential as they are today? I think many, many experts would disagree. Really, Stephen? You think that technologies from the 1990s were such that people could self-organize and be as influential as they are today? I think many, many experts would disagree.

]]> By: Stephen Buckley http://steveradick.com/2009/04/27/the-more-things-change-the-more-they-stay-the-same/comment-page-1/#comment-1005 Stephen Buckley Wed, 12 Aug 2009 02:54:20 +0000 http://steveradick.com/?p=478#comment-1005 That's "new"? That's what we (earlier-than-you-adopters) said every year that new technologies came out in the 1990's. Thanks, Steve, for even recognizing that those who do not learn from the past are condemned to repeat it. Were mistakes made? Yes. Can you avoid those mistakes? Yes. But the attitude that I see today (and I think Steve does too) is a teenager-ish dismissal: "That was then, and this is now." Let me know if a serious Gov2.0 discussion about Social/Citizen Engagement breaks out somewhere that allows for the possibility of Lessons-To-Be-Learned. That’s “new”?

That’s what we (earlier-than-you-adopters) said every year that new technologies came out in the 1990’s.

Thanks, Steve, for even recognizing that those who do not learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.

Were mistakes made? Yes. Can you avoid those mistakes? Yes.

But the attitude that I see today (and I think Steve does too) is a teenager-ish dismissal: “That was then, and this is now.”

Let me know if a serious Gov2.0 discussion about Social/Citizen Engagement breaks out somewhere that allows for the possibility of Lessons-To-Be-Learned.

]]> By: Learn About Social Networking » The complexity of Government 2.0 http://steveradick.com/2009/04/27/the-more-things-change-the-more-they-stay-the-same/comment-page-1/#comment-905 Learn About Social Networking » The complexity of Government 2.0 Tue, 14 Jul 2009 05:47:37 +0000 http://steveradick.com/?p=478#comment-905 [...] these lines, I recently read an interesting blog post which reminded me of a post I contributed to this blog in [...] [...] these lines, I recently read an interesting blog post which reminded me of a post I contributed to this blog in [...]

]]> By: sradick http://steveradick.com/2009/04/27/the-more-things-change-the-more-they-stay-the-same/comment-page-1/#comment-816 sradick Sun, 07 Jun 2009 20:34:01 +0000 http://steveradick.com/?p=478#comment-816 Alexander - very good correlation between our two posts. All too often, we forget to look to the past for answers that we're looking for in the present. I think we're just now starting to realize the promise of Government 2.0, but we must continue to keep the pressure on, and take time out from looking forward to sometimes look back at the past. Alexander – very good correlation between our two posts. All too often, we forget to look to the past for answers that we’re looking for in the present. I think we’re just now starting to realize the promise of Government 2.0, but we must continue to keep the pressure on, and take time out from looking forward to sometimes look back at the past.

]]> By: Alexander Schellong http://steveradick.com/2009/04/27/the-more-things-change-the-more-they-stay-the-same/comment-page-1/#comment-809 Alexander Schellong Sat, 06 Jun 2009 14:49:16 +0000 http://steveradick.com/?p=478#comment-809 Steve, I really like your post. One year ago I wrote this post: http://www.iq.harvard.edu/blog/netgov/2008/06/why_government_is_ahead_in_web_20.html and its totally in line with your comments. While I really like the trend, everyone seems to forget to learn from history or just what we know on issues like participation, transparency and the like. Steve, I really like your post. One year ago I wrote this post: http://www.iq.harvard.edu/blog/netgov/2008/06/why_government_is_ahead_in_web_20.html and its totally in line with your comments. While I really like the trend, everyone seems to forget to learn from history or just what we know on issues like participation, transparency and the like.

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